The linear perspective is only available in the imagination, where all 'time' and 'motion' exist!
Beyond the imaginary, there is only Here! Now!
'Cause' and 'effect' is just a clumsy way of saying 'two mutually arising opposite Perspectives of the same event, the same One (unchanging, ALL inclusive) Reality!
Like Heads and Tails!
The only place that 'causality/reason/time/motion/Jesus...' exists, is in the imagination!
"Reality is a synchrony of moments!" - Book of Fudd
Every moment of existence exists Now!
"The Laws of Nature are not rules controlling the metamorphosis of what is, into what will be. They are descriptions of patterns that exist, all at once... " - Genius; the Life and Science of Richard Feynman
All 'eternity' at once; Now!!
There is only one moment (Planck moment = 10^-43/sec; "almost" one billion trillion trillion trillionths of a second!!!) of the entirety of existence/Reality/the Universe!
All existence, ever, is one, literally, 'timeless' moment!
They can occur simultaneously. If I sing, a song is created. But effect cannot precede cause in any example I can think of.
But simultaneity of cause and effect may be too some kind of semantic illusion - I think the technical term is "cheesy". For example, if someone in a distant galaxy sings a song, a song is created there instantly. But is it also created here instantly? Even tho I could not possibly become aware of that until the speed of light delivers the news to me here? If we argue that it is true "here" as well even tho I don't know about it, then we say that our singer in the distant galaxy can create an effect here on earth at faster than the speed of light, which is, again, cheesy. If not, then we say that a thing's very existence depends on me personally hearing about it - which is even cheesier.
So I suspect we have a semantic problem, rather than a purely logical one.
That said, if I shoot my neighbor right now, he is certainly dead right now even if our singer in the distant galaxy has no knowledge of it. He is dead "to that person" in this instant, whether or not they know about it. So all changes in anything are immediately true throughout the universe which violates the speed limit.
I've always felt that the speed limit (speed of light) applies only to physical travel - because clearly, if my neighbor is dead, he's not still alive somewhere else just because someone else hasn't heard about it yet. The information may be delayed, but not the actuality of it.
But the moment we end one circumstance, say picking up a coin, then we begin another circumstance, the coin being picked up. So if we consider the cause to be the one state, and the effect to be the next state, then to change the one is to immediately change the other. It is, and must be, instantaneous.
But I don't see how an effect could ever precede its own cause.
The horror of dualism is such a terrible drag on thought. Those old Greeks, and Descartes, certainly did, and are doing a number on human minds. Their chains are still restraining so many minds.
There is no effect without cause, even if we don't understand the situation.
There is no cause that doesn't have an effect, no matter what perception does to understanding.
I once asked a philosophy professor if he could explain the concept of "cause and effect" to me. He said in a mock-horrified voice, "Don't go there. Just don't go there!" Apparently people have been trying to figure this out for centuries and nobody has come up with a solution that satisfies everybody, or anybody.
We don't know but it certainly SEEMS like quantum particles have no apparent cause. They just pop in & out of existence for no apparent reason. The Big Bang was also a quantum fluctuation: vacuum is unstable & creates matter from 'nowhere'.
There might be bizarre exceptions in quantum physics.
This is why the "Grandfather paradox" of time travel exists: If you went back and killed your own grandfather before he had children, you would cease to exist. And, since you ceased to exist, there would be no way for you to have lived in order to go back in time and kill your grandfather; It would be effect(you) altering the cause(granddad) which makes no sense.
they cannot occur simultaneosly. Cause precede effect and consequence. Exemple: cause: you are picking an angry dog. Effect: dog bites you. Consequence: dog is now calm but you are hurt.
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The linear perspective is only available in the imagination, where all 'time' and 'motion' exist!
Beyond the imaginary, there is only Here! Now!
'Cause' and 'effect' is just a clumsy way of saying 'two mutually arising opposite Perspectives of the same event, the same One (unchanging, ALL inclusive) Reality!
Like Heads and Tails!
The only place that 'causality/reason/time/motion/Jesus...' exists, is in the imagination!
"Reality is a synchrony of moments!" - Book of Fudd
Every moment of existence exists Now!
"The Laws of Nature are not rules controlling the metamorphosis of what is, into what will be. They are descriptions of patterns that exist, all at once... " - Genius; the Life and Science of Richard Feynman
All 'eternity' at once; Now!!
There is only one moment (Planck moment = 10^-43/sec; "almost" one billion trillion trillion trillionths of a second!!!) of the entirety of existence/Reality/the Universe!
All existence, ever, is one, literally, 'timeless' moment!
Now!
They can occur simultaneously. If I sing, a song is created. But effect cannot precede cause in any example I can think of.
But simultaneity of cause and effect may be too some kind of semantic illusion - I think the technical term is "cheesy". For example, if someone in a distant galaxy sings a song, a song is created there instantly. But is it also created here instantly? Even tho I could not possibly become aware of that until the speed of light delivers the news to me here? If we argue that it is true "here" as well even tho I don't know about it, then we say that our singer in the distant galaxy can create an effect here on earth at faster than the speed of light, which is, again, cheesy. If not, then we say that a thing's very existence depends on me personally hearing about it - which is even cheesier.
So I suspect we have a semantic problem, rather than a purely logical one.
That said, if I shoot my neighbor right now, he is certainly dead right now even if our singer in the distant galaxy has no knowledge of it. He is dead "to that person" in this instant, whether or not they know about it. So all changes in anything are immediately true throughout the universe which violates the speed limit.
I've always felt that the speed limit (speed of light) applies only to physical travel - because clearly, if my neighbor is dead, he's not still alive somewhere else just because someone else hasn't heard about it yet. The information may be delayed, but not the actuality of it.
But the moment we end one circumstance, say picking up a coin, then we begin another circumstance, the coin being picked up. So if we consider the cause to be the one state, and the effect to be the next state, then to change the one is to immediately change the other. It is, and must be, instantaneous.
But I don't see how an effect could ever precede its own cause.
Gen.
The horror of dualism is such a terrible drag on thought. Those old Greeks, and Descartes, certainly did, and are doing a number on human minds. Their chains are still restraining so many minds.
There is no effect without cause, even if we don't understand the situation.
There is no cause that doesn't have an effect, no matter what perception does to understanding.
I once asked a philosophy professor if he could explain the concept of "cause and effect" to me. He said in a mock-horrified voice, "Don't go there. Just don't go there!" Apparently people have been trying to figure this out for centuries and nobody has come up with a solution that satisfies everybody, or anybody.
So good luck with that :)
We don't know but it certainly SEEMS like quantum particles have no apparent cause. They just pop in & out of existence for no apparent reason. The Big Bang was also a quantum fluctuation: vacuum is unstable & creates matter from 'nowhere'.
There might be bizarre exceptions in quantum physics.
This is why the "Grandfather paradox" of time travel exists: If you went back and killed your own grandfather before he had children, you would cease to exist. And, since you ceased to exist, there would be no way for you to have lived in order to go back in time and kill your grandfather; It would be effect(you) altering the cause(granddad) which makes no sense.
they cannot occur simultaneosly. Cause precede effect and consequence. Exemple: cause: you are picking an angry dog. Effect: dog bites you. Consequence: dog is now calm but you are hurt.
Yes..!!
I was simply surfing net when I read about an answer regarding scientific phenomenon
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The question was simply, CAN SOMETHING BE FASTER THAN SPEED OF LIGHT...?
If neutrobium(something like that) be FASTER THAN SPEED OF LIGHT, then what???
The answer was **IF SOMETHING SUCH HAPPENS THEN EFFECT WILL OCCUR SOONER THAN THE CAUSE***...It was something I read...
hope it helped..!
For an 'effect' to occur, something has to 'cause' it.
In linear time cause seems to happen, first but that's only our perception.